tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4294512992029030179.post1591909174337910874..comments2023-06-15T05:02:07.807-05:00Comments on Java Jesus: Men and Churchscotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06407035513346395310noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4294512992029030179.post-25575879889356205262007-06-05T08:14:00.000-05:002007-06-05T08:14:00.000-05:00Joe B said:Am I a broken record or what? I think t...Joe B said:<BR/>Am I a broken record or what? I think the foundational problem is in our iteration of the gospel, that "you must accept Jesus into your heart and have a relationship with him." The actual gospel that Jesus preached specifies the nature of that relationship: "Repent, the Kingdom of Heaven is here." The gospel of an internalized faith of feelings is the culprit, in my view. And you know, a hundred times I've heard it said that Jesus spent all his time getting intimately relational with "the hurting" -- but it ain't in the bible! Only with a few of the disciples do we see evidence of that reklational intimacy, and it is not about their feelings. I'm not saying that Jesus doesn't care, only that te gospel that brings salvation isn't merely about a "personal" relationship. Rather, Jesus is the King of the Cosmos, and we are each to personally proclaim him as such, and join as his heirs in his agenda. Word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4294512992029030179.post-80327135301225127382007-05-26T20:20:00.000-05:002007-05-26T20:20:00.000-05:00we would be many too....hahawe would be many too....hahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4294512992029030179.post-91908561811077269542007-05-26T14:24:00.000-05:002007-05-26T14:24:00.000-05:00Sorry, I should have "manly" instead of "many" in ...Sorry, I should have "manly" instead of "many" in the above post. Gee, try to make a joke and I can't even spell it right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4294512992029030179.post-84325547083324939672007-05-26T14:23:00.000-05:002007-05-26T14:23:00.000-05:00Hey, if you guys really want to be many you should...Hey, if you guys really want to be many you should meet in a pub instead of Starbucks. :)<BR/><BR/>Seriously, though - you all should check out the very excellent book "Why Men Hate Going to Church."<BR/><BR/>As a person who has been a worship leader and now teaching in that area, I wholeheartedly agree about the feminization of worship music. And the comments about why Islam appeals to men are really insightful. I think PK used to appeal to men, but it's a shame it has fallen by the wayside. There is another men's movement growing called "The Samson Society."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4294512992029030179.post-10232098346386720722007-05-25T23:26:00.000-05:002007-05-25T23:26:00.000-05:00hey you guys ought to read the interchange on my b...hey you guys ought to read the interchange on my blog in the comments on A Cut Above?<BR/>it is interesting i thinkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4294512992029030179.post-47386516721935237632007-05-24T21:06:00.000-05:002007-05-24T21:06:00.000-05:00i could not agree more that Soebeck sucks....good ...i could not agree more that Soebeck sucks....<BR/>good stuff - how about a men's outreach - lots of steak on a grill in the parking lot, bring your own beer and fishing in our church pond<BR/>just an ideaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4294512992029030179.post-51451458457533715482007-05-23T13:42:00.000-05:002007-05-23T13:42:00.000-05:00I've heard this mentioned before, and I agree. Bu...I've heard this mentioned before, and I agree. But I like the words you chose - "lover" versus "leader" - because both are biblical and both are needed.tonymyleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11396458619687708153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4294512992029030179.post-46936021419972578582007-05-22T10:55:00.000-05:002007-05-22T10:55:00.000-05:00I can't believe I forgot all about the meeting las...I can't believe I forgot all about the meeting last night. I suck.soebeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17756831098677139974noreply@blogger.com